tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post3071379374941121964..comments2024-03-27T23:29:08.366-04:00Comments on Down Goes Brown: Russ Courtnall for John Kordic was a good trade. No, I'm not drunk.Down Goes Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10150805735008417848noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-88381951167560691512014-11-18T09:42:57.233-05:002014-11-18T09:42:57.233-05:00There is no way we needed to trade our top scorer ...There is no way we needed to trade our top scorer just to get a tough guy. If you can't see that then there is no hope for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-77719283602153921302014-06-02T00:03:44.778-04:002014-06-02T00:03:44.778-04:00Kordic was tough as nails and crazy as shit. I don...Kordic was tough as nails and crazy as shit. I don't know who's saying he didn't instil fear in his opponents- dude was a top flight goon. He was nuts because he didn't have any game. If he was on the ice, I mean…. holy shit, the gloves were coming off and everyone knew they were about to skate into the line of fire. Kordic never "had his ass handed to him" as a Maple Leaf. It's outrageous to even type that he did. He was possessed and I miss him. Thanks for the memories, John. RIP. Josephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-25009138292298110752010-12-06T09:48:55.191-05:002010-12-06T09:48:55.191-05:00Your logic is no doubt skewed when you look at Rus...Your logic is no doubt skewed when you look at Rusty's numbers against Kordic's, and the impact each had on their respectives squads.<br /><br />As a Montreal fan, I welcome all of these so-called "good trades" the Leafs make with the Habs.<br /><br />Unfortunately, these days it seems the Leafs only want to make these kind of deals with the Bruins :)<br /><br />www.habsfaninleafland.blogspot.comHabsFanLeafLandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12346004960664827658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-48529433562003759572009-11-03T16:12:38.380-05:002009-11-03T16:12:38.380-05:00This is crazy.
Because Stellick was negligent i...This is crazy. <br /><br />Because Stellick was negligent in picking up a dime a dozen enforcer the previous off-season it becomes acceptable to trade away one of your best young skill players, who your organization drafted with its first pick a few seasons earlier, for a dime a dozen enforcer?<br /><br />Oh wait a minute! You're not saying it was merely acceptable. You're saying it was a good move.<br /><br />Did John Brophy write this shit?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-78945886135154459152009-10-26T18:16:45.853-04:002009-10-26T18:16:45.853-04:00Dude, Kordic only played 104 games with the Leafs ...Dude, Kordic only played 104 games with the Leafs following the trade, and even did a brief tour with the Newmarket Saints. <br />Courtnall was indeed overrated, but this trade was still shit for Toronto. Courtnall went on to score 13 pts in 21 playoff games with Montreal that season, although they ended up losing in the Cup final to Calgary.Scotthttp://hockeyheadblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-91322898220576996642008-04-16T13:50:00.000-04:002008-04-16T13:50:00.000-04:00re: Larry Murphy in the breakaway competition - th...re: Larry Murphy in the breakaway competition - that's some kinda funny!<BR/><BR/>Best thing to come out of this little debate: I now have a reason to cruise YouTube looking for Kordic fight clips and I can tell my wife I'm doing "research." My recollection is that Kordic was usually second-best in the fight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-9807101992105112972008-04-16T13:03:00.000-04:002008-04-16T13:03:00.000-04:00Thanks for the comment, Junior.Murphy probably got...Thanks for the comment, Junior.<BR/><BR/>Murphy probably got a bad rap in the same sense that every whipping boy gets a bad rap. Even McCabe and Raycroft aren't as bad as they're being made out to be, and Murphy was the same way.<BR/><BR/>That said, I remember a buddy of mine making a joke during the All-Star Skills competition that year. During the breakway competition, he suggested that they should have Larry Murphy skating three strides behind each guy, just to make Leaf fans feel at home.<BR/><BR/>As for Kordic, I remember him being one of the top tier heavyweights. His youtube highlights seem to back that up, and he even did well in a scrap against Wendel ("did well" meaning he didn't die).<BR/><BR/>Then again, I always think the Leaf wins every fight. I try to be objective everywhere else, but I'm still a homer when the gloves come off.Down Goes Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10150805735008417848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-30362198955542505202008-04-16T12:11:00.000-04:002008-04-16T12:11:00.000-04:00The funny thing about Nolan is that he seems to be...<I>The funny thing about Nolan is that he seems to be following the Larry Murphy career path: superstar player comes to Leafs, hits the wall, end of a great career, etc. Then they move on and get their mojo back.</I><BR/><BR/>I always thought Murphy got a bad rap while in T.O. - he was never fleet of foot, even in his youth. His game always involved stretch passes to quick moving wingers that were stretching opposing defences and creating passing lanes; as quick moving wingers were a commodity in short supply among his Leaf teammates, there was never any room for him to make "his" passes. When he was traded to the Wings, who had that kind of personnel - well, you know how that worked out. <BR/><BR/>As for Courtnall/Kordic, it's true that Courtnall's stock had started to fade by the time of the trade, and it's also true that the Leafs needed an enforcer. I don't quarrel with the theoretical premise for the trade, but I do have a beef about the player the Leafs got in return. Kordic was a terrible fighter; he was tough and he had the stones to step up and dance with guys like McRae, Odjick and Probert, but my memory is that he <B>regularly</B> got handed his lunch by each one of them. This was so while he was playing for Montreal, too. In other words, we traded a serviceable player for an incompetent fighter; that was always my take on the trade, and I have always (from the day it was announced) said so. If you're going to trade for a fighter, he needs to be able to instill respect; I don't believe that Kordic was ever truly feared by any of the other teams' big boys. End result: Courtnall for an ineffective enforcer; analysis: bad trade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-25217585153753890702008-03-04T15:11:00.000-05:002008-03-04T15:11:00.000-05:00My goal with this site is to go as long as possibl...My goal with this site is to go as long as possible without posting about the Fraser non-call. Because when I eventually do, it's probably going to be 30,000 words long, get me fired and then put in jail.Down Goes Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10150805735008417848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-21786375133324721942008-03-04T15:02:00.000-05:002008-03-04T15:02:00.000-05:00sean, I wouldn't need to be drunk to want to bbq F...sean, I wouldn't need to be drunk to want to bbq Fraser's genitals. Come to think about it, someone already did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-40121025906841926772008-02-22T10:50:00.000-05:002008-02-22T10:50:00.000-05:00That's true. But if I was actually drunk, I would ...That's true. But if I was actually drunk, I would be making posts like "Things to do with a pair of pliers, a blowtorch and Kerry Fraser's genitals".Down Goes Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10150805735008417848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-49103132152396926802008-02-22T10:41:00.000-05:002008-02-22T10:41:00.000-05:00There's nothing wrong with blogging while drunk.There's nothing wrong with blogging while drunk.Chemmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15876764848455502787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-42640911820043413422008-02-21T20:31:00.000-05:002008-02-21T20:31:00.000-05:00Great post, Sean.Great post, Sean.Greenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09952185418271357106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-12449630345300229852008-02-21T12:32:00.000-05:002008-02-21T12:32:00.000-05:00I think hindsight makes the Nolan deal look worse,...I think hindsight makes the Nolan deal look worse, but if I had been near a non-concrete wall when news of the deal broke, my fist would have been going through a wall too. I've ALWAYS liked Owen Nolan and I even liked him here - but a horrible trade is a horrible trade, and like Sean said, Nolan wasn't the guy to add to this team. Not at that exorbitant price.<BR/><BR/>Would I have taken Nolan if it was more like a Leetch deal (which I loved, btw)? Absolutely. But I hated the price from day one, and it only looks worse now.<BR/><BR/>As for Boyes, yeah, there might be something up there. At least two of the trades can be chalked up to managerial incompetence, I'd think (leaving Toronto and Boston... I have no idea why San Jose traded him), but I'm not sure why he is always considered expendable. Still, he's turned out better than the three we did keep (Wellwood, Stajan, Steen), and a young guy who can score NOW is something that we really could use right now. Maybe he doesn't turn out being a consistent 40 goal scorer (he probably won't, actually), but wouldn't you just love to have a young 40 goal guy on this edition of the Leafs?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06405478088248306086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-54953467704325364522008-02-21T11:45:00.000-05:002008-02-21T11:45:00.000-05:00I put my fist through the wall on the Nolan trade,...I put my fist through the wall on the Nolan trade, still have a nice little scar from it. I've never been a fan of the guy and had a 6th sense type feeling that he'd be a waist of skates. Being drunk didn't help....Jaredoflondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15068330186764290021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-32764322914903472372008-02-21T10:24:00.000-05:002008-02-21T10:24:00.000-05:00Hey Godd... welcome to the blog, I'm a big fan of ...Hey Godd... welcome to the blog, I'm a big fan of your work at Cox Bloc.<BR/><BR/>I think the Nolan trade was borderline bad at the time, and definitely bad in hindsight. The Leafs already had a lot of what Nolan brought to the table -- grit, experience, scoring. They needed defensive help, and instead they cashed in the few chips they had to add a power forward.<BR/><BR/>I'm a big fan of "go for it" deals (I think Muckler has cost the Sens one or two Cups by refusing to make that sort of deal.) But you generally only have enough ammo to get one stud, and it needs to be the guy who will help you most. Nolan wasn't that guy, even though he'll always have a special place in my heart just for the "boo-hoo" quote.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I thought the Brian Leetch trade the year after was a great deal. You could argue that it didn't work out since they didn't win the Cup and lost him to the cancelled season, but at the time it was a good trade. Maybe JFJ's only one.Down Goes Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10150805735008417848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-14245089227115139432008-02-21T10:09:00.000-05:002008-02-21T10:09:00.000-05:00Great post.I thought the Nolan trade was good at t...Great post.<BR/><BR/>I thought the Nolan trade was good at the time - aren't you falling into the hindsight trap? Injuries really ruined his time here, but when he scored that hat-trick in his first game, I thought the Cup was finally coming.Godd Tillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02551574569054503781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-41108294783130531112008-02-20T22:27:00.000-05:002008-02-20T22:27:00.000-05:00The Nolan deal is definitely one we'd like back. E...The Nolan deal is definitely one we'd like back. Even at the time of the deal, Quinn seemed like a guy who knew he'd overpaid.<BR/><BR/>I'm going to wait and see on Boyes, though. He's having a great year, but he's been dealt so many times that you have to wonder what other teams are (or aren't) seeing in his game.<BR/><BR/>The funny thing about Nolan is that he seems to be following the Larry Murphy career path: superstar player comes to Leafs, hits the wall, end of a great career, etc. Then they move on and get their mojo back. Maybe it's something in the water in Toronto. If Jason Blake gets moved at the deadline and scores 50 next year, we'll know something's up.Down Goes Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10150805735008417848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-47949231640486814372008-02-20T20:12:00.000-05:002008-02-20T20:12:00.000-05:00Kordic was so awesome.I do take issue with lumping...Kordic was so awesome.<BR/><BR/>I do take issue with lumping Boyes in with Courtnall and Jonsson, though. The Nolan trade was utterly fucking horrible and there is literally no way to defend it. Courtnall and Jonsson ended up having nice careers, and I've always liked Kenny, but we got the awesome (and needed) Kordic back for Courtnall, we got the awesome Clark (and Schneider) for Kenny... what did we get for Boyes? 80 games of Owen Nolan?<BR/><BR/>The trade looked God-awful then and it looks worse now. McCauley put up a Selke-caliber year immediately after the trade, Boyes is having a 40+ goal year at age 25, and giving up that pick in that year's draft was retarded. <BR/><BR/>I'm definitely not one of those 'dump everyone for kids regardless of who they are' people, or one of those 'never trade your kids no matter what' people, either. It's all about hanging on to the right people and filling the needs on your team - the Nolan deal did neither. If that trade never happens, we might not be in the situation we are now.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06405478088248306086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-598322928024763892008-02-20T18:57:00.000-05:002008-02-20T18:57:00.000-05:00Sorry, I saw the words "donut" and "Kyle-Wellwood-...Sorry, I saw the words "donut" and "Kyle-Wellwood-tummy" and I got distracted. Dangit, I'm such an ass.Loser Domihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07090253142284327561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-42102523745074147982008-02-20T17:06:00.000-05:002008-02-20T17:06:00.000-05:00I KNEW IT!That is a much better case for the trade...I KNEW IT!<BR/><BR/>That is a much better case for the trade being good than any I have seen for it being the WORSTEST TRADE IN SPORTS!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6518202653898886981.post-84028685140141372752008-02-20T15:13:00.000-05:002008-02-20T15:13:00.000-05:00nice post! kordic all the way!nice post! kordic all the way!Navin Vaswani (@eyebleaf)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08445618400360263938noreply@blogger.com